I know that conservatives spend a lot of time trying to find the weakness in our Liberal policies. I know they are desperate to regain some legitimacy in the face of the dismal failure of the Bush policies.
But this is beyond the pale.
Here you see a guest on Glenn Beck's Fox "News" Channel "Trash the Liberals Show" practically begging and pleading for bin Laden to attack the US.
This guy really thinks that Obama's policies are so far off - so wrong-headed - so ineffective - that the US would be improved by an attack. How about a missing city? Or tens of thousands dead? Just so there would be a groundswell of support for a change in government in the US to the right. For what? So THEY can protect us.
This sickness is now so obvious to everyone who hears it. The GOP hopes to win votes via fear. Fear, fear, fear. They cannot lead from any legitimate position. They said it themselves. THEIR ONLY HOPE is an attack on the US.
Sorry, GOP. The US population sees the cost of giving you control of the budget. From the highest surplus to in the history of civilization to the largest deficit ever. No thank you.
Even if we're attacked, we'll see through this digusting deficit of morality. At this time, the GOP suffers from abject poverty of morality.
You might as well stop it. STOP IT. Get some therapy. Seriously. Examine your actions, examine your words, and then examine your motivations for your actions and words.
You'll be surprised how disgusting you are.
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Why are you acquating Mr. Beck and Mr. Scheuer with Conservatives. Also, what do these two people have to do the GOP. When did either of these two identify themselves as Republican or as Conservatives. Seems you are painting anyone with whom you disagree with a broad brush as Republican and Conservative.
Present your proof that these two individuals speak for, or represent either the GOP or Conservatives generally.
Great post, thanks for alerting me to this.
They're obviously sore losers - to the point where they're aligning themselves with the terrorists. Now we know what they're truly made of. I think Beck should be warned about what happens to people who commit treason. And I don't say that lightly.
Believe it or not, I listen to Beck on the radio - here are my reasons:
(1) Beck nearly always promotes the conservative talking points of the day. By the way, his radio show appears on our local CONSERVATIVE TALK RADIO STATION. And I have heard him say that he is a REAL conservative, not like these mamby-pamby wimpy moderate conservatives.
(2) Wikipedia entry:
"Beck's show contains less news than it does discussion about politics, conservative commentary and social humor."
(3) Google thinks Beck is associated with Conservatives
Google hits on Glenn Beck Conservative: 1.4 million
Google hits on Glenn Beck Liberal: 880 thousand
(4) Howsabout a direct Glenn Beck Quote: "I am a conservative, but I am not a zombie." The Glenn Beck TV Show, May 11, 2006.
(5) Howsabout another direct Glenn Beck Quote:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/20/beck.cities/
Where Beck writes:
"I consider myself a conservative, but I consider myself an American and a human being first. "
If it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, it's a duck.
Glenn Beck certainly is a quack.
The other guy is obviously a conservative because he talks like this:
"The only chance we have for the country..."
Sorry, Liberals are programmed at birth to be open-minded and optimistic, leaving open the possibility that while our solutions may be good, but other newer solutions may be better. We almost never say "never" or "always".
We then spend the rest of our lives with Conservatives trying to beat that out of us.
Thank you, by the way, for recognizing that I appreciate the opportunity to hear from the other side as well. I will only block people whose arguments come close to negating my points. So if you can still post comments here, that means you're not even close.
Here are Get Real, your best spin doesn't stand a chance.
Badda-bing!
If you'd like to talk about the Civil War and WWI and WWII as unjust or unnecessary, I'm sure there is a mental institution somewhere with a padded cell with people just like you who can try to make a connection between the illegal, falsely justified excuse of a war to pad the coffers of Halliburton that Bush led us into.
Good luck with that, GR. There has to be a receptive and enquiring mind to achieve that, not a tangled mass of religious superstition, Fox News brainwashing, and regurgitation of the latest conservative blog conspiracy theories. However, if you do want to continue banging your head against a brick wall, you might try explaining the meaning of their latest buzzword, "fascist", to them. They seem to be completely unaware that fascism belongs on the extreme right of the political spectrum, and is about as far from liberal philosophy as it is possible to get. You'll probably have to explain "spectrum" to them also. Have fun.
political spectrum :
tyranny---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------anarchy
left---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------right
Bang your head, where are you.?
First, your diagram equates the left with tryanny. History has shown that tyrants can come from both the left and right. Moreover, anarchists would not agree that the far right is the same as anarchy.
Second, it's only a one dimensional axis. There are many, many, many dimensions of political ideas. Conservatives tend to try to boil things down into black and white. Liberals tend to think of many things at once.
It may be genetic.
tyranny---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------anarchy
left--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------right
absolute government--------------------------------------------------absolutly no government
slavery------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------liberty
You do not get to change the language to promote your ideaology. It is impossible for tyranny to exist on the right. There would be no civilization whatsoever. Extremism on the right is anarchy, extremism on the left is tryannyThat is why some government is required. The question is, how much government.
The more government you have, the less liberty you have.
Look at the Constitution of the United States as an example. Under the Articles of Confederation, the states surrendered so little liberty that the central government was powerless and effectively no government existed. The Constitution created a central government with sufficient power to carry out its purposes in its creation. This did require the states to surrender more liberty.
In todays parlance progressiveism (liberalism) is the movement which advocates for more government, less liberty. Conservatism seeks to stop this creep toward more government and try to move toward more liberty.
There are three types:
National corporatism
National socialism
National syndicalism
We can recognize fascism when the government takes over the means of the material production, the industries, with biases toward consolidating the government's power for the perpetuation of its ill-gotten power.
Fascism arises within a nation when militants, under the guise of professed hatred of amorality, abandon the processes of democracy and instead seize the reins of power by illegitimate or thinly veiled technically legitimate processes. They insist on a process of national purification, under the guise of a vibrant morality, or national good, which leads to the pillaging of wealth of some minority population to fill the coffers of the government needed to invest in the national industries A policy of external expansion is usually adopted. Fascists tend to be focused on modernization; all else other than the most modern means of subduing populations is ridiculed and vilified. Every means of production is eventually slanted toward consolidation of the authority of the state, as overcompensation for their illegitimate power grab.
All fascists need is a popular excuse of abandonment of cherished morals, a power vacuum (real or perceived), a major depression (real or perceived), and a charismatic voice capable of chastising the population into following through fear of being left out of the inevitable.
It is interesting to note that, historically, the first thing Fascists due is imprison or kill all of the Liberals. The last thing they due is kill the conservatives when they are no longer needed.
Get Real predicts that the next fascist take-over will NOT be based on the morals or political ideologies that concern us today. The next modern 'technology' that will cause people to fear being 'left behind' is the movement to turn technology inward upon ourselves, and improve ourselves, individually and in our offspring, by genetic manipulation. Designer genes for looks, for longevity, for health. The ability to do more longer with less energy aided by cyborg implants. Living skin impenetrable by bullets and bombs, yet soft and pliable. Enhanced brain power via gene 'therapy' to enhance one's modes of thoughts into higher realms. An upper elite echelon who deserve to rule because of their supposed mental and physical superiority. With the inferiors being exterminated and their wealth taken to sustain the cult government.
Some of the corporate system is wizened and hardened enough to do all of this covertly. Bias built into health care preferences based on genetics. Prioritization of improving health care in diseases or conditions that afflict the rich
We, the liberals and conservatives PEOPLE of today are, compared to true fascists, like peas in a pod. We can be led in any direction by the talking points of the party for the issue of the day.
What amuses me is that conservatives fail to see that Liberals care more about the well-being of each and every conservative than the leadership of the conservative party does. I say this without blinking. Conservatives tend to favor the paternal form of government; masculine; don't help the needy, you will only keep them weak. Liberals tend to favor the feminine form of government, maternal, caring; helping those who need it a little, to give them a boost. Government programs for college education. Safe highways and bridges. Sustainable renewable cheap energy.
Bush's "compassionate conservatism" was just a tagline meant to attract the caring moderates. It went nowhere.
Now, I'm not saying conservatives don't care about people. They do. They just care more about their ideology then they care about helping people. Which is sad. They feel like they are a dope if their taxes are used to help someone out; we Liberals feel empowered when we know that the lives of those around us are improved and human suffering is reduced by our taxes. But only to a limit; we don't want a population of non-productive citizens leaching off the taxes of others any more than conservatives do.
So don't listen to the one-line pundits who oversimplify everything. Obama is not a socialist. He's actually an open-minded politician who, in the end, will listen to the stakeholders including you, and me, and the doctors, and the insurance companies, and the drug companies, and try to find a new configuration that works for as many stake holders as possible. Absolute simplification and hatred of something just because you don't understand it is stone-age thinking. I know this, we will never improve our situation by name-calling across the ideological aisle. We have to have meaningful, deep sessions where real valuation of possibilities are considered.
Interesting to compare the comment of a thoughtful liberal on fascism as compared to conservative ken, who thinks "fascist" is a handy insult to throw at anyone who doesn't live in his tiny world. He doesn't really have any understanding of the term, and never will, which isn't surprising really, as he's yet to discover what the shift key on a keyboard does..
Bush expanded the government. Bush blew up the deficit.
You should have told him to leave your wallet alone.
Did you?
What makes you think that a GOP presidency would do anything but further increase the deficit?
Call them Spend and Spend Conservatives. Or Borrow and Spend Conservatives.
What do you say to this trend?
Please.
A cartoon. Presidents don't spend money, Congress does, Presidents get to take the heat for it.
How about this trend.
Remember, The Democrates took control of Congress January 2007, their first budget is the 2008 budget. The Democrates now control all of Government. What does the above trend look like to you?
I never quit. I'm just enjoying watching the republicans eat their own.